shadowhawkxx — 2014-05-15T19:51:47-04:00 — #116
so... much... pun...
gilahacker — 2014-05-15T19:56:49-04:00 — #117
I thought of a few more:
Are there any hopes/plans to reduce the actual volume of a day's worth of Soylent, or are we at maximum nutrient density here already? I realize a "meal pill" is basically impossible, I'm just curious. It'd be nice to be able to store a year's worth of food in a relatively small space and, if mass can be reduced (not just volume), then it'd be cheaper to ship too.
The bags I've seen people receive aren't vacuum sealed. Is the powder so stable that it's not a worry for spoilage, or would there be any benefit in shelf-life to have them vacuum packed?
Have you learned anything more about "phytonutrients" (positive or negative) that you'd like to share? I know you've previously said something to the effect that there's not enough research, and what exists is inconclusive/contradictory.
Just a comment, but I'm looking forward to the possibility of a powder-only (no need to mix oils) blend. Glad you're already testing something.
wheresmysoylent — 2014-05-15T19:59:48-04:00 — #118
Ooh. This is a good question. I would also like knowing an estimate of what is ideal additional water consumption.
On a different note @rob, I ENTIRELY prefer a bulk 3 month order at a discount equivalent or greater to the subscription. This would allow me to order as needed, share with the many people who have asked me about it, and not worry about keeping to a subscription schedule if I were to go out of town or eat out socially more in a particular month, etc.
rob — 2014-05-15T20:01:30-04:00 — #119
Great idea! The problem is this would create a culture of heavy breathers hogging the food and light breathers attempting to reduce their impact on the environment. Over time humans would segment in to two species: one large, heavy, and strong, the other light, intelligent, and agile.
The debate over how to breathe would eventually lead to violent conflict and the soylent-air factories would become strategic resources. Eventually an ultimate weapon would be developed by the brutish segment, who would not fully understand the implications of their discovery. The Final Solution is meant to cause a chain reaction to destroy the soylent-air factories held by the opposition, but the flawed mathematical models of the brutes could not predict the drastic implications of their aggression.
On judgement day the weapon is fired for the first time and the chain reaction leaps from the factory to the greater atmosphere, combusting all airborne sugars, proteins, and lipids across the entire globe, releasing stored electrochemical energy on an astrophysical scale.
The earth and life as we know it comes to a fiery end all because of the hubris of a humble company near the turn of the 21st century: Rosa Labs.
I think the drink is easy enough. For now...
rob — 2014-05-15T20:10:28-04:00 — #120
- Pretty close to maximum density but I have some ideas. Anything is possible.
- Correct, though vacuum-sealing may confer a stability benefit it would increase cost
- I think the phytonutrient thing is based on the flawed assumption that nature is out to protect and save us and these random plant metabolites are complex enough to appear irreducible, thus furthering the vitalistic whole food fallacy. For every marginal benefit there's going to be lots of inflammation or allergic reactions. If antioxidants actually work we should understand how and design more effective ones ourselves. I read a lousy book claiming plants could cure cancer and the author mentioned about 20 phytochemicals which I then researched and found dozens of inconclusive and contradictory papers. I think we can safely skip them, but surely it is possible for non-essential chemicals to confer benefits once we understand more.
jameskirkby420 — 2014-05-15T20:27:07-04:00 — #121
@rob can you talk about the environmental/social/economic impact of sourcing your ingredients? Do you see any scarcity issues if soylent is produced on a much larger scale? Will we have to worry about drinking "blood soylent" as the raw ingredients become rare or can they all be synthetically produced
axcho — 2014-05-15T20:28:10-04:00 — #122
@rob, how do you feel about those of us DIYers who have started selling our DIY soylent to impatient Soylent backers? Is this something that you are happy to see, or do you think that it dilutes the Soylent brand or presents unwanted competition?
And more specifically, I thought it would be funny to sell a DIY recipe based on official Soylent, which I could call "Schmoylent". Is this cute and harmless, or should I expect to hear from your legal department if I go ahead with this?
rob — 2014-05-15T20:34:58-04:00 — #123
Mass is conserved. Therefore we will always be able to synthesize the raw ingredients from somewhere.
Energy is radiated away from the earth but so long as we have the sun's nearly eternal bounty and are clever in utilizing and converting it we will never run short.
rob — 2014-05-15T20:38:50-04:00 — #125
I'm happy to see demand but I'd be much happier if our production had reached the point where this would not be necessary.
I won't stop you from selling "Schmoylent" on legal grounds, but I must caution you it is unwise to enter in to direct competition with us.
corrine — 2014-05-15T20:39:07-04:00 — #126
@NomNom That's not what this thread is about. Be patient, they are doing a lot and be happy that Rob is here having a conversation with us.
axcho — 2014-05-15T20:41:17-04:00 — #127
Any competition I present will likely be temporary. My passion is game development, not measuring powders into bags.
rob — 2014-05-15T20:46:38-04:00 — #128
Better to apply your mind to measuring bits in to registers, which Soylent would allow more time for
shadowhawkxx — 2014-05-15T20:59:04-04:00 — #129
Indeed - while Soylent was unable to arrive in time to boost my academic programming endeavors, it does seem timed just right to enhance my jump into industry. Let's see if some Soylent-powered interviews just might give me the edge to land a job at Google, right?
(...shhhhhh, it could happen!)
macphyle — 2014-05-15T21:02:31-04:00 — #130
Wow! $5 dollars a day would make a huge difference in food economy. Seriously.
carltonlemley — 2014-05-15T21:06:18-04:00 — #131
Do you see Soylent from Rosa Labs mounting a direct assault on global hunger, or is your aim to lead more of a revolution in quantified nutrition that would end hunger indirectly.
macphyle — 2014-05-15T21:10:52-04:00 — #132
I'm also curious about the oil's shelf life. Thanks for all you do!
rob — 2014-05-15T21:13:48-04:00 — #133
2 years, and my pleasure
@CarltonLemley hopefully a mix of the two i.e. a combination of in house innovation and partnerships and participation in groups with the same goal.
carltonlemley — 2014-05-15T21:16:42-04:00 — #134
This is fantastic. I'm curious, as one of the very few people who have experienced startup culture from inside an incubator and through the crowd-funding route, what lessons have you learned, and what would you do differently?
It strikes me that these are two VERY opposite ends of the spectrum, and both are also very new.
mark1 — 2014-05-15T21:17:44-04:00 — #135
The X dollars a day for Soylent is something I see as long term. Soylent is an idea that can catch on and go global. Rosa as a US based company will likely never sell Soylent to the masses Africa or Asia, since the economics aren't there. There's going to be a certain floor price for Soylent to customers in the US from companies producing it in the US.
But there's no reason why other countries might not produce their own Soylents using locally sourced and refined ingredients for locals at much lower prices.
brett_casto — 2014-05-15T21:20:38-04:00 — #136
Brilliant idea! I like it!
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